Monday, April 19, 2010

Tim Mc Veigh, Phoebe Prince, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold...Results Of School Bullying



Tim Mc Veigh was created over time, starting in High School...

Phoebe Prince was a simple, normal, happy kid who little by little, was pushed over the edge by School Bullies...first in her home town, in Ireland, then finally here in her new school in the US, this investigation is ongoing...

They both could have gone the route of Columbine, of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold...

Taken from my book being released next week, April 30, titled... Shock and Awe on America...

Step one...
Part of chapter titled Columbine, Losing Your Children...

"By isolating them, subjecting them to all sorts of detrimental and demeaning treatment over and over, we create what we eventually call monster shooters. We force them to retreat within themselves or to seek out similarly-affected individuals, who then take the place of the teaching, comforting parent, and who go on to guide them in the wrong direction. This could be avoided and be less costly in terms of expense and lives, if our citizens are educated to be more sensible and tolerant of all people who we perceive as different.
It is believed that the shooter may sometimes kill at random. He fantasizes about becoming a hunter standing in the middle of a group of sheep. All these sheep are of equal importance: that is, they become insignificant. There is no need to be selective. They are all the same; it’s just the hunter and his prey. Each kill sends the same message of vengeance, revenge and opposition to the system of isolating and ridiculing the weak, teaching the world a lesson, like a bad child being punished by the teacher or, in this case, the master hunter.
The lesson is, don’t pick on the weak because their hands aren’t tied. There will be revenge. We learn the hard way, albeit too late, that there is strength in the weakest of us…strength to pull a trigger in a crowded place; strength to savor murder and vengeance, and think it is right; strength to take revenge. A pound of flesh to be collected, and probably friends and followers to avenge them as well."

This what happened in varying degrees to Phoebe Prince, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold and Timothy Mc Veigh. As a result, Phoebe Prince committed suicide, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold together killed many in a school in Columbine.

For Tim Mc Veigh, his outlet for revenge was not a Mall or School shooting or suicide, he chose to "fix" himself of his feelings of hatred from his bullying ordeal, he joined the Army, which unknown to him, would provide the training he needed for the Oklahoma Bombing...

Step two...Returning from Combat, with PTSD...

Part of Chapter titled ...WAR
"The veterans who come home are all torn in various ways. Some have flashbacks when they light a match and smell the sulfur. Some have flashbacks while they are simply driving a vehicle. Some can’t ride elevators. They cry themselves to sleep or dose themselves with sleeping pills. Their attempted suicide rate back home is well above 150 per month sometimes, but this fact usually goes under-reported.
They suffer from severe anxiety attacks, and sometimes panic from seemingly normal situations like seeing a speeding, blaring fire truck.
Some have such heightened senses of smell and sound that they have become unique, and will be awakened at the slightest whisper in the bedroom. Some sleep alone because they may wake up in the middle of the night and choke their spouses, thinking they are still in combat and under attack. And of course, some sleep with their weapons all the time. There are thousands of broken soldiers trying to re-enter or be assimilated into society, and become productive members of the community once again and many are not being helped to do this.
Timothy McVeigh was a startling reality of what we can expect in the future, from our overstressed and overworked soldiers, if we don’t give them the proper care they need. Rachel Maddow, on Air America radio, interviewed someone who provided the statistic that 69% of our soldiers have killed a woman or a child. Some of these women were pregnant. It is not easy to live with that knowledge. They can’t sleep at night. They develop hatred for themselves and for the leaders, who made them do this instead of finding other solutions and alternatives to unnecessary war.
We have learned over time how difficult it is for returning war veterans to re-enter society, as we have had many Vietnam veterans, who were in need of treatment, return and not get it. Insufficient treatment resulted in the disastrously high incidence of homelessness among them.
CBSNEWS.com found in their investigations that in 2005 there were at least 6,256 suicides among those who had served in our armed forces. Shockingly, that means approximately 120 troops per week, throughout the year of 2005, committed suicide. This number roughly coincides with the VA’s higher estimate of 6,500 annually, as cited in a Chicago Tribune story. On 9/11, 3,000 people died, so Bush started two wars, but this information means we have been having approximately two 9/11 events taking place every year, with over 6,000 suicides, and Bush and his followers did nothing significant to stop this atrocity. This is Bush's true shameful legacy of Shock and Awe.
The CBS article showed that veterans were twice as likely to commit suicide as civilians, veterans having a suicide rate of 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000 compared to civilians, which was 8.9 per 100,000. The article also pointed to a really shocking fact among troops aged 20 to 24 years old. Their suicide rate is two to four times higher than civilians of the same age; civilians that age have suicide rates of about 8.3 per 100,000, while vets that age were found to commit suicide between 22.9 and 31.9 times per 100,000. It is expected that the number of those who attempted suicide and were saved is much higher than the suicides recorded. A Bloomberg.com article reported that about 1.6 million troops have fought in the two wars since 2001, and an estimated 20% or 320,000 suffer from PTSD or depression. This echoes a Rand Corporation study that was published in April 2008."

Obviously some of these troops returning with PTSD choose not to commit suicide and instead like other victims of bullying, choose to become hunters of men...

While in Iraq, Tim Mc Veigh killed people, became famous there for his kills...doing his duty and getting promoted to Sargent for his talents, but he soon started to realize that he had been turning into what he hated most...the new Bully on the block. He said that he soon realized that the Iraqis were just people...like him, and the real bully in control were the sources of Authority... for him in Iraq, it was The Military.
When he went home, he transfered that blame of Authority to the Government.
Three months after he went home from the Military, he ran over to his Grandfather's home, bare-backed in the winter, telling his Grandfather that he had problems...he actually had the manifestations of PTSD...The rest is history.
April 19, 1995 was just another outcome...instead of Columbine, it had the same triggers, bullying at an early age and the various outcomes resulting from it.
The effects of bullying produce many symptoms, including the victims bullying their lessors...it usually spurs depression, reclusive or antisocial behavior.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-13-columbine-myths_N.htm

From this USA TODAY article...
"The U.S. Secret Service and U.S. Education Department soon began studying school shooters. In 2002, researchers presented their first findings: School shooters, they said, followed no set profile, but most were depressed and felt persecuted."
"It's a portrait of Harris and Klebold as a sort of In Cold Blood criminal duo — a deeply disturbed, suicidal pair who over more than a year psyched each other up for an Oklahoma City-style terrorist bombing, an apolitical, over-the-top revenge fantasy against years of snubs, slights and cruelties, real and imagined."
"one of Harris' last journal entries read: "I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things. And no don't … say, 'Well that's your fault,' because it isn't, you people had my phone #, and I asked and all, but no. No no no don't let the weird-looking Eric KID come along."

I think they were left out and avoided by the other kids, which is a large part of school bullying Psychologically and does not necessarily include violence and beatings.
They were first "Victims" before they changed to "Hunters"

18 comments:

  1. Yeah, I saw this last night. What I have always found remarkable was how close McVeigh came to getting away. One trooper, who was about to turn away from the state border, pulled him over.

    But that's just an aside. You're absolutely right in your anxiety of the potential destructiveness of mass PTSD.....

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  2. In the Columbine case, there seems to be some significant evidence that the bullying theory has been debunked for the most part.

    I'm not saying bullying shouldn't be condemned(think of that poor Irish girl), I'm just saying that in our quest for an answer as to why, it may be a little too easy to snap up "bullying."

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-13-columbine-myths_N.htm

    I have no doubt that the editor who assigned this story was the same editor who made so many of the important assignments at the Denver paper where I was working at the time.

    The PTSD holds more water, although I have trouble gathering up any sympathy for someone
    who deliberately and methodically plans and executes such a heinous act.

    I'm a big supporter of the mental health field, but at some point - after asking why - you have to answer, "who gives a shit?"

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  3. Vigilante, apparently Tim left specific clues so as to make sure that he would be found out if they did a proper investigation.

    tnlib, the effects of bullying produce many symptoms, including the victims bullying their lessors...it usually spurs depression, reclusive or antisocial behavior. From the article...
    "The U.S. Secret Service and U.S. Education Department soon began studying school shooters. In 2002, researchers presented their first findings: School shooters, they said, followed no set profile, but most were depressed and felt persecuted."
    "It's a portrait of Harris and Klebold as a sort of In Cold Blood criminal duo — a deeply disturbed, suicidal pair who over more than a year psyched each other up for an Oklahoma City-style terrorist bombing, an apolitical, over-the-top revenge fantasy against years of snubs, slights and cruelties, real and imagined."
    "one of Harris' last journal entries read: "I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things. And no don't … say, 'Well that's your fault,' because it isn't, you people had my phone #, and I asked and all, but no. No no no don't let the weird-looking Eric KID come along."
    I think they were left out and avoided by the other kids, which is a large part of school bullying Psychologically and does not necessarily include violence and beatings.
    They were first victims before they changer to "Hunters"
    I agree that it is hard to have sympathy for people like them.

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  4. A lack of positive human emotional bonding proves to be a fertile growth medium for anti-social development. It became clear when McVeigh said he had no feeling of love for his parents. Being vicimized by bullies only exacerbated his disconnection from people.

    Our entire new generation is suffering from a similar disconnect with the video game/gadget culture they are raised in. It used to be the claim that TV would have the same effect on youth, but now that is merely one factor in the electronic social disconnect. Now we have military designed videogames that groom the next generattion of impersonal remote control killers.

    Add to this the effect of the bully mentality from leaders like Bush and Cheney. Kids see complete unaccountability and justice for war crimes and totalitarian tactics and that further reenforces sociopathic tendencies.

    Our national culture is a giant mess of institutionalized bullying and undeveloped social bonds.

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  5. Dave, you are correct, the lack of positive emotional bonding is sometimes to blame, pointing back to the parents and the many problems they face just trying to feed the family, keep a job and keep the structure of a normal family going. This is why I blame Bush for doing the stuff that made it harder for parents to be good parents and be there for the kids in their times of need. I am generalizing, but he caused millions of households to be destabalized, foreclosed, etc, jobs lost, and as a direct result we can expect a lot more unguided kids to make the headlines in coming years.

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  6. The Wild West never really went away then?

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  7. I have to disagree with "Dave Dubya" re: video games and gadgets. Video games have just become the latest scapegoat in a long line of scapegoats for adults who want easy and comforting answers to questions like, "Why are my kids behaving so badly?" Jazz, radio, TV, comic books, rock 'n' roll, hip-hop, movies...it's always the fault of someone or something else.

    The truth that nobody wants to address is that bad kids and damaged kids generally come from bad parents, bad schools, and the bad influence of other people in their lives - other family members, friends, enemies, bullies, etc.

    We overlook bullying because "kids will be kids" until someone kills themselves, and THEN it's a tragedy, and only then do the bullies really get punished. If the victims just manage to survive to adulthood, still damaged, then it's not a tragedy, and they're supposed to "get over it." But it's *not* a tragedy if the victim of bullying directs their anger outward - then they, and only they, are responsible for their actions. There's no consideration given to their mental health - no mitigating factors at all - they're a killer, and "murder is murder" and that's that - off you go to prison for the rest of your life (if not death by electric shock or lethal injection).

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  8. Spekkio, welcome, you got it to a "T", it's like you are in head, I can't agree with you more...thanks for your informative insight.

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  9. America's Finest News Source trenchantly made this point...

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/columbine-jocks-safely-resume-bullying,661/

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  10. I had a rather long comment for this post but it just disappeared.

    Bottom line: Phoebe has nothing to do with Columbine, video games and etc. The death of PP is all about the cruelty of teens. This pretty young girl was not accustomed to the fast paced hate that is America. End of story.

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  11. Bullying is one of the most disgusting forms of harrassment there is. There should be absolutely ZERO tolerance for it schools. We have strict laws protecting adults from harrassment in the work-force. We should be equally vigilant in protecting children from it(this, whether it leads to suicide, Timothy McVeigh, etc. or not).

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  12. Anonymous, welcome, Thank you for that link...alas, the article says it all..."To rectify the problem, school authorities consulted with top ostracization experts and developed a comprehensive jock-safety plan. Cameras were installed on school grounds, enabling authorities to more closely monitor the activities of all students for suspiciously nonconformist behaviors or modes of dress."
    They haven't learned a thing and those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

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  13. MadMike, I saw an interview where the background had been told...initially Phoebe was a happy-go-lucky little girl, as most of them are, then she started to get bullied and in trouble as it normally goes. She was moved to the school where her mother teached but that did not help much. She eventually moved to the US where the bullying... well you know the rest.
    My connecting her to Columbine is simply that all over the world...apparently there are victims of bullying... as was she, it started long before she moved here. She was not a hunter as Klebold and Mc Veigh, she was a bullied victim.

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  14. Will, yes we have laws in the workplace for adults...why are the kids less important? Isn't that terrible...

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  15. The love of violence that prevails in American society cannot be overlooked. We have Klanbaggers parading around talking about sooting things up, we have "Christians" celebrating the annihilation of those dirty brown heathens in the middle east, we have a right wing that constantly, mind-numbingly pumps a constant message of hatred of EVERYTHING but themselves into society..... I swear, it is a wonder (given the easy access to high powered weaponry) that we don't have more shoot-em-ups in schools.

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  16. Jolly Roger, sadly we are nowhere closer to preventing another one...or many more actually.


    http://www.theonion.com/articles/columbine-jocks-safely-resume-bullying,661/

    That article shows that 4 months after, it was back to business as usual in Columbine...the Bullying started back with the help of the authorities there.

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  17. Teeluck, you asked me to come check this out almost a week ago. I'm sorry it took so long. I've been ill.

    Great article! You tie together the process for making monsters. It isn't pretty, but we need to attend to it, because McVeigh will not be the last. With the GOP encouraging such sick attitudes, I feal that such people will be emboldened.

    One thought crossed my mind. When McCeigh returned from the Gulf War, the position of the GHW Bush administration was that PTSD did not exist and those afflicted were refused treatment. I wonder if McVeigh ever tried to seek help.

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